Comic 148 - Atlas Nurtured a Coalition

17th Jul 2020, 7:53 AM
Atlas Nurtured a Coalition
Average Rating: 5 (1 votes)
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skorpen 19th Jul 2020, 12:29 PM edit delete
skorpen
Wow, this cartoon is ka-sploding.
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Comments:

Paztoid 17th Jul 2020, 8:01 AM edit delete reply
Paztoid
So true...but America is too broken for this to ever happen. All empires eventually collapse and that is what we're witnessing now. :/
Cenozar 18th Jul 2020, 10:37 PM edit delete reply
That's true, if the police were managed by the Federal Government. Thank God for subsidiary. Now vote for your mayor and sheriff who actually have the power to make the changes.
Drew 18th Jul 2020, 5:44 PM edit delete reply
In theory this would be great but you would have to take the load off them first and get those systems in place. Without putting those systems in place and demanding we go right to defunding the police is pretty much having this cartoon carrying all that weight and then swinging a bat at his knees and saying you don’t need that much support.
Dave 19th Jul 2020, 4:01 AM edit delete reply
You have identified the problem accurately. My question is, we already have most if not all of those other services but they do not seem to be effective. Will giving them more money really help much if they are not effective with the funds they have?
Ian D Osmond 19th Jul 2020, 6:03 AM edit delete reply
Will giving underfunded services who are desperately trying to do stuff but don't have the money to do the things they're tasked with doing make them more effective?

Yes. Yes it will.
GC 19th Jul 2020, 11:51 AM edit delete reply
"Sounds like too much work" is not an excuse honestly. It's actually just a matter of police loosening the reigns on non-violent "criminals" who have drug problems and such. We don't need to crowd our jails and prisons with people who committed non-violent (violent includes theft and the like btw) crimes.

The police need to stop assuming everyone's a criminal and trying to provoke people into doing something to get arrested. All they need to do is their job, which is to keep the peace, and arrest violent criminals, and we'll be on our way.
Justin H. 24th Jul 2020, 4:13 AM edit delete reply
Couldnt have said it better. Its innocent until Proven guilty. These "protectors of the peace" have gotten so corrupt/jaded that they break the law to make the law. The entire system is designed to trick people. These heroes pick the underprivileged, homeless, mentally ill, drug addicts and last but not least people of color just to throw them to the wolves aka criminal justice monopoly. We would honestly be better if we went back to rounding the villagers and handled crimes with pitchforks and torches ourselves.
Scott Efenwealt Vaughan 18th Jul 2020, 6:26 PM edit delete reply
I posted a copy of this comic on my Facebook and at the time of this writing I realized it has been shared over 8000 times. I made sure to post a link to your original here. As a creator myself I didn’t mean to share your work without your authorization. I was just sharing what I thought was a very good explanation. But if you want me to take down the copy of it that’s on my Facebook please drop me an email at vaughanscottf@gmail.com
skorpen 19th Jul 2020, 12:23 PM edit delete reply
skorpen
Hi Scott, thanks so much for your consideration! I have no problem with you sharing, and I greatly appreciate you linking back to me. If I had any sense I would have embedded links in the image. This thing is really blowing up and I'm mostly just trying to internalize this unprecedented appreciation/attention after decades of making cartoons....so thanks again!
It is possible ❤️ 18th Jul 2020, 6:47 PM edit delete reply
https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-pinellas/st-petersburg-police-chief-mayor-announce-plans-to-re-imagine-department
Cenozar 18th Jul 2020, 10:36 PM edit delete reply
It could work if people actually played attention to their local elections.

But I dont understand why anyone thinks unitive cooperation will grow out of such a divicive slogan.

Why not something more positive like "Share the Load" or "Save the Police"
Cat 19th Jul 2020, 7:49 AM edit delete reply
I agree so much with the slogan thing. "Defund" makes it so easy to build up a straw man argument. I wish I could come up with something catchy but accurate, and it is too nuanced for that. Fortunately there are people better at creating slogans than I am -- now to see of someone does.
Colleen O'Mara 25th Jul 2020, 8:06 AM edit delete reply
just like this artist not expecting his cartoon to go viral, “defund the police” peeps had considered “”demilitarize” the police but it didn’t fit on cardboard sign!
pogokero 18th Jul 2020, 11:24 PM edit delete reply
Saw this on FB as a share from Scott Efenwealt Vaughan. This is excellent work.
Peter 19th Jul 2020, 4:50 AM edit delete reply
So which social agencies will stop drug dealing, theft, gang violence, and "every unexpected crisis"? You and the rest of the "defund the police" movement are so naive it is dangerous. Have any of you ever been robbed? A victim of sexual assault? A victim of domestic abuse? I have. And I would want the people who did that arrested and prosecuted. Which social agency would arrest those criminals? Violent criminals exist in the real world. And since this "defund the police" movement started as a result of George Floyd's death, explain to me how defunding the police would have prevented his death.
@Peter 19th Jul 2020, 5:01 AM edit delete reply
Did you even look at the comic? The police are still there. I feel like you're purposefully misunderstanding.
Piney56 19th Jul 2020, 2:14 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, but initially the load they were carrying involved things like domestic violence, gangs, and theft. They went away in the second picture, implying the police would no longer deal with those issues.
Credit 19th Jul 2020, 6:10 AM edit delete reply
Howdy! Want to post this to my social media but want to correctly credit you, do you have an IG or other way to denote that this is yours?
skorpen 19th Jul 2020, 12:26 PM edit delete reply
skorpen
Hi! Thanks for reaching out! The best links to include would be my homepage http://www.nealskorpen.com/ and/or my Patreon https://www.patreon.com/aethernaut
I appreciate it friend!!!
Brian 19th Jul 2020, 6:58 AM edit delete reply
Really appreciate this. Thank you.
Dom 19th Jul 2020, 7:26 AM edit delete reply
Any chance you could do a similar cartoon for our education system? Because Covid is about to kill teachers forced to babysit kids all over this country. Thanks!
Nonmouse 19th Jul 2020, 3:53 PM edit delete reply
I love this cartoon and the idea behind it. One bit of constructive criticism... or personal wishlist, whatever... would be to make the person hammering into Pres. Jimmy Carter...
Sapph 19th Jul 2020, 4:35 PM edit delete reply
Hey just wanted to let you know I've seen your comic around but there's a version out there with the "keep the peace" rock missing. Just thought I should let you know! (not sure what can be done about it) it was shared by a page called Gritty2020 on Facebook
Heathen Hoard 19th Jul 2020, 6:39 PM edit delete reply
Thanks for making this!
WalterAmos 20th Jul 2020, 8:33 AM edit delete reply
Do you have any sort of direct contribution link (such as a Gofundme)? This toon is the best illo of what “Defund” should mean and I intend to post it to a few friends’ comment feeds, and I’d like to shoot you a few bucks in appreciation, just not sure if I want to make it a monthly contribution.
skorpen 20th Jul 2020, 12:27 PM edit delete reply
skorpen
Hi Walter! Thanks so much for your kind words and support! I just set up a Ko-fi, see the top comment for the link!
Kevin Hunter 20th Jul 2020, 9:52 AM edit delete reply
Excellent depiction of a thought
Susan Daily 22nd Jul 2020, 6:57 AM edit delete reply
Is it possible to review this critique and think of perhaps a Part II to the conversation of defunding the police? https://www.facebook.com/723790557/posts/10159992184640558/?d=n
skorpen 22nd Jul 2020, 7:21 AM edit delete reply
skorpen
Hi Susan. Thanks for the link. The critique has some legitimate points that I agree with. As you suggest, one cartoon cannot possibly address this complex issue in its entirety. The best I can hope for is to get people thinking and talking about it.
Also, in a sense you're already looking at my Part II. Part I would be the strip on the previous page of this site.
Thanks again for participating!
Kyle5 29th Jul 2020, 10:09 PM edit delete reply
I will critique the critique.

The aim of this comic appears to try enlightening people who center "police keep the peace" in their refusal to discuss defunding.

Attempting to successfully help that group of people to discuss the topics covered, and not covered, by this comic requires meeting that group of people where their mindset currently starts and ends; police keep the peace.

Meeting that group of people where they are at; addressing their presented concern; means helping them feel comfortable with an idea very new and counter-intuitive to their current understanding.

Their attachment to, and belief in, their current understanding of "police keep peace" is deeply rooted with their feeling of safety and comfort in this world and in their neighborhood. How deeply rooted? Possibly in the neighborhood of religion.

Omitting police violence, racism, militarization from this comic, I think helps the entire defund cause, all topics of, rather than hurts, because the image is for people stuck at "police keep peace" whom are nowhere close to discussing the other topics, and are likely turned off from any discussion when those topics are mentioned.

If you say anything about "police are bad" to people who believe, almost like a religion, that "police keep the peace" and do no harm, or no harm worth mentioning beyond a few bad apples, than the discussion is probably over before it starts.

So don't ruin the discussion. Don't ruin the chance of helping that very large group of people to see and understand how defunding the police will help the police better keep the peace; which is true in every way; for all topics covered and not covered by the comic.

By accomplishing everything in this comic, we will, to a great degree, help accomplish the topics not mentioned by the comic; gaining more allies toward that goal by meeting defenders of "police keep the peace" where they are at, instead of trying to make them instantly be 100% where we want them to be; holding a BLM sign, etc.

Get them to first be okay with ways to help police better keep the peace. Let that sink in and be a comfortably accepted new logic. Then, if needed, you might be able to talk with them about how police can be better peace keepers. Then, you might be able to discuss if police are needed at all.

Although I said this next part in its own comment on here, I think including here and expanding upon may also be useful:

I wish "Living Wages" was included in this comic. Perhaps pointed to by the Jobs Placement arrow.

Around 50% or less of jobs in American pay a livable wage. That doesn't provide great reason for people to choose one or two poverty-wage jobs instead of crime to pay their bills and have a decent life.

Working one or two poverty-wage jobs probably increases mental illness and drug abuse, Rx or not. I don't mean 'drugs are bad' I mean using in unhealthy amounts.

^I wonder if including Living Wages is important enough to re-release this comic. I think having living wages is crucial to having success with all improvement topics presented in the comic.

If everyone has great education and universal healthcare but living wage jobs still aren't available, too many people are still stuck choosing between struggling with stressful poverty wages, depending on government assistance, having multiple jobs or using crime to pay bills and have a decent life.

Living wages = less boulders. Perhaps reducing the number of boulders more than any other improvement in the comic.

Or make a new comic showing the need for living wages. Including CEO to worker wage gap, productivity wage gap, wealth inequality, and how middle class workers should unite with poverty wage workers to demand upper class share more wealth. That unity of poverty and middle is important because middle class commonly believes bootstrap rhetoric; oblivious to how few living wage jobs there are; telling poverty wage workers to just work harder, get educated, make better choices... instead of telling the rich to be less greedy and pay everyone better.

Or both. I like both. "Living Wages!?" in a re-released copy of this comic; including the !? to express how living wages are needed and questionable in their existence; also creating intrigue for the later comic addressing the wage gaps and showing middle class who to fight against.
Some Guy that lives in SC 22nd Jul 2020, 7:55 AM edit delete reply
I just want to say that I appreciate you. I know that with how popular this comic is getting, you're sure to already have gotten lots of hate for it. I know you're probably used to it with the nature of your comics, but I'd like to offer a word of encouragement anyway.
Karen Donohoe 22nd Jul 2020, 12:19 PM edit delete reply
Someone enlighten Joe. He is not for defunding but is for reallocating funds, so he says. No one in his party is telling him that they believe these two phrases to be one and the same.Even though that is not necessarily what many believe it only to mean. Needs to be clearly determined what it will mean to each town/city. I enjoyed the cartoon.well done.
Latty Tude 22nd Jul 2020, 10:08 PM edit delete reply
We need to use the over $10 million per day we WASTE supporting apartheid in the Middle East.... and spend it here....
Carol Gibson 23rd Jul 2020, 9:29 PM edit delete reply
Just wanted to thank you for your visual explanation. I wish whoever came up with this had chosen a better word or phrase for this. Your portrayal, I hope, will help people understand.
Ki 26th Jul 2020, 1:20 PM edit delete reply
Hi I wanted to post your comment on my social media. Is that okay and if so how should I credit you? Thank you!!
skorpen 26th Jul 2020, 5:04 PM edit delete reply
skorpen
Hi Ki! Feel free to post, and please include a link to this page, and/or nealskorpen.com and/or patreon.com/aethernaut . Thanks!!
Doreen 28th Jul 2020, 2:57 PM edit delete reply
Thank you for illustrating a concept that a lot of people (myself included) have had trouble wrapping their head around. Many will not read long articles explaining the concept, but an image makes it easier to get the message across quickly! Thanks for your work!
Kyle 29th Jul 2020, 8:36 PM edit delete reply
Hi. I wish "Living Wages" was included. Perhaps pointed to by the Jobs Placement arrow.

Around 50% or less of jobs in American pay a livable wage. That doesn't provide great reason for people to choose one or two poverty-wage jobs instead of crime to pay their bills and have a decent life.

Working one or two poverty-wage jobs probably increases mental illness and drug abuse, Rx or not. I don't mean 'drugs are bad' I mean using in unhealthy amounts.
Barry Comeau 5th Aug 2020, 6:15 PM edit delete reply
For those pondering/considering the higher order of things, explore "Living Wages" as it relates to 'Diminishing Returns' and 'Work Out-Put' and economically; Income as a tool for 'Motivation'. You can't have more of nothing, but you can certainly increase Quality-of-Life with the vehicles of 'Sustainability', 'Efficiency', and basic access to "Life Supporting" and "Life Improving Services and Resources". These items can be Net Zero on balance sheets that typically don't attempt to measure such metrics, or relatively, to deduce if they even changed at all.